Saturday, April 14, 2012

Deadly strike als doubles elemental damage?

[:1]I'm currently making a WW - IK barb, Highlord's Wrath with its deadly strike looks very tempting to me, might have to go for the AR option rather though.

I came across this explanation for Deadly Strike:

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"Deadly strike gives you the chance to do double damage. All melee damage is doubled, whether its physical, magic or elemental (i.e. skills such as Berserk, Vengeance or Fire Claws for example)."

But does Deadly Strike also double the elemental damage from the completed set or charms ?

Adds 211-397 Fire Damage (2 items)

Adds 7-477 Lightning Damage (3 Items)

Adds 127-364 Cold Damage, 6 sec. Duration (Normal) (4 Items)

+204 Poison Damage Over 6 Seconds (5 Items)

Adds 250-361 Magic Damage (Complete Set)|||The linked site both has incorrect information and hacks, please be more care about your sources and don't post links before making sure that they're clean.

Deadly strike does not affect elemental damage, unless the elemental damage is affected by your physical damage output. In other words skills that convert physical damage into elemental damage, or add elemental damage equal to a percentage of the physical damage you inflict can benefit from DS.|||Quote:








Deadly strike does not affect elemental damage, unless the elemental damage is affected by your physical damage output. In other words skills that convert physical damage into elemental damage, or add elemental damage equal to a percentage of the physical damage you inflict can benefit from DS.




Well except Vengeance.|||@ Kijya: Sorry for the link not aware it was a below standard site, was already doubting to do it but considered their (maybe faulty) explanation a challenge to the community here. Thanks for correcting.

@ Stephan: Vengeance doesn't convert Physical to elemental it adds so that also applies to Kijya's explanation.

So my best option is adding as much ed% Juwels + damage charms then to utilize Highlord's Wrath to it fullest potential (besides reaching the +30% IAS on the Maul ofc).

Highlord's Wrath is really undervalued if above potentials are unleashed if u ask me.|||Quote:








@ Stephan: Vengeance doesn't convert Physical to elemental it adds so that also applies to Kijya's explanation.




The point is that DS doesn't double the elemental damage added by Vengeance, which from Kijya's explanation you might think it does. (unless I'm reading it wrong).

I also don't see how Highlords is underrated as it is staple for pretty much any physical damage based melee build.|||Rereading Kijra's explanation once again indeed you can think that. All depends on how Vengeance exactely works I suppose but that another topic

Just mentioned Highlords as underrated because I haven't seen it mentioned in many guildes (or read over that) and it is quite cheap. I never had one drop for me and already 4-5 Mara's in a distant past.|||With "physical damage you inflict" I refered to the final physical damage that a monster suffers when hit (after DS and anything else). Looking into it now it seems none of the skills I was thinking of use this number, so please disregard that part ... I wasn't wrong in my words, but I was wrong in my thoughts. |||Dragon Tail fits into that category, but then again DS doesn't apply to it :P

As for the rest of it, where is elemental damage actually affected by DS? Ice/Fire Arrow and maybe Lightning Bolt?|||Conversion of physical damage to another damage type occurs after DS is applied, so it can also double the converted damage of the following:

  • Magic Arrow

  • Fire Arrow

  • Cold Arrow

  • Lightning Bolt

  • Fists of Fire (unless released by Dragon Talon, Dragon Tail or Dragon Flight, to which DS does not apply)

  • Berserk (both the skill itself and its synergy to Concentrate and Frenzy).

DS does not apply to Dragon Tail's added fire damage percentage or the elemental damage percentages added by Vengeance, which effectively adds elemental off-weapon Enhanced Damage: Damage +X (like that of the Grief rune word), off-weapon ED and DS (or Critical Strike) are only taken into account when calculating its physical damage.

In short, DS normally applies to converted damage, but not to added damage.|||hmm, my explanation ingame wasnt as in-depth but... i think i hit it on the mark anyways, still ill definatly follow this thread cuz its quite an interesting mechanic

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